Making Conversations about podcast honesty Count

Episode 62 - Georgie Vestey

Enjoy a conversation with Georgie Vestey, who won a 2021 British Podcast Awards gong for the “Dead Honest” podcast


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Big take-away quote from this conversation about honesty and making the “Dead Honest” podcast:

“Actually I don’t think I could do this if I was any younger. I wouldn’t have the experience, I wouldn’t have the perspective, I wouldn’t have the confidence to be as vulnerable with the conversations that I am.…..”

Georgie Vestey, Making Conversations Count (December 2021)

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Getting real with an award winning podcaster about her “Dead Honest” podcast

In this week’s episode of Making Conversations Count Wendy’s talking to Georgie Vestey, host of the Dead Honest podcast .

We often talk about the importance of our conversations on this podcast, but this one really counts!

Wendy and Georgie really got into a deep dive chat about what it’s like doing a podcast in middle age.

They share some stories that lead to an epiphany and reassure. Mostly about how they’ve discovered that they’re not alone out there.

Showing up week after week to put on this show is such fun, but also incredibly challenging. And Wendy was quite relieved to know she was joined in that feeling by Georgie.

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Podcasting is hard!

“Podcasting is really hard; it looks easy to do, but actually to sustain it is really hard or I certainly found it hard.

I find it hard to keep it going in terms of ideas and delivery and all the rest of it.”


And so in this episode you’ll hear Wendy saying to Georgie that they’re going to be making conversations about honesty count, and they certainly do get dead honest with each other!

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How Georgie’s podcasting journey and the “Dead Honest” podcast started

They also share their favourite things about podcasting and deep dive into some of the things that anyone who wants to start a podcast should be aware of, including getting some help with the production.

The dead honest conversation continues all the way throughout this episode and in particular they discuss:

  • The story behind how the Dead Honest podcast came to be
  • Wendy’s dead honest story about the Dr Ivan Misner episode that nearly didn’t happen
  • Georgie’s revelation about her proudest moment making the Dead Honest podcast
  • Both of the ladies’ thoughts on how you can’t predict your podcast’s success
  • Georgie’s shares what she thinks it is that makes for a successful podcast
  • And of course, Georgie describes to us which of her conversations was the one that counted

“So, the Dead Honest podcast is for me a platform to share the stories of people who basically work behind the front lines of death, so not the paramedics or the doctors or the nurses so much, the people we don’t see, and the people doing the work I say that we hope someone else is doing.”

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How the Dead Honest podcast benefits from Georgie being vulnerable

Georgie feels there’s a real opportunity for some podcasters to rise above the ‘noise’ of other podcasts, by being more open and vulnerable for your listeners.

The Dead Honest podcast features host Georgie Vestey chatting with people who work completely behind the scenes, but are significant and closely involved with the aftermath of death.

The podcast launched officially in June of 2020, and has since amassed a legion of loyal listeners, and a 2021 British Podcast Awards win for ‘Best Interview Podcast’.

And in keeping with the theme of being dead honest on this episode, Georgie shares her slight tinges of feeling ‘imposter syndrome’.

She reflects on the award and how she thinks it conveys a level of technical skill she doesn’t feel she currently has.

Regardless of Georgie’s audio skills or otherwise, she’s built something of a cult podcast success with the “Dead Honest” podcast.

“…when they hear your openness to being vulnerable and relatable; that’s what draws them in. It’s not about the downloads, it’s the quality of the audience that you’ve got, not the quantity of the audience that you’ve got…”

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A “Dead Honest” podcast format

Each episode, Georgie interviews a different person – someone who works closely to death.

She’s spoken with police divers, a chaplain who supports families and drivers impacted by railway deaths, and even someone who washes the hair of the dead before popping them back in a fridge.

“They have an incredibly high level of job satisfaction. You think that’s quite weird, because it would look like a very depressing profession to be part of, but actually they’re genuinely driven by the desire to help people.”

Wendy’s take-away after having this conversation about the Dead Honest podcast

Being able to see through other people’s lens on topics that are not mainstream is a recipe for the curious and intrigued.

Georgie has honed her passion for shining a light on those in the profession of looking after our dying or dead who are not ordinarily on the frontline. – Wendy Harris, host of Making Conversations Count

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Full Episode Transcript


Making Conversations about Honesty Count




Georgie Vestey



00:00:00: Introduction
Dead Honest
00:03:13: How Georgie started
00:05:13: Behind-the-scenes guests
00:07:42: Surprising paths of conversation
00:09:43: Podcasting in middle age
00:15:17: The listeners are the judges
00:17:36: Define your style and stay true to yourself
00:21:15: Georgie’s pivotal conversations
00:25:22: Final thoughts


Interview Transcription

Wendy Harris: You’re listening to Making Conversations Count with me, Wendy Harris, expert telemarketing trainer.  Today’s guest is the deliciously humble Georgie Vestey, and her show is called Dead Honest.  Today, we’re going to be Making Conversations About Honesty Count.

What’s new Wendy Woo.  Getting social on all of those lovely platforms like Instagram and Facebook and Twitter, it’s been great to see our follower count go up.  That means that our listener count’s going up too and you’re coming back because you’re enjoying what you’re hearing.  That’s brilliant news for us and of course we’re fast approaching 2022 and I’ve got some really exciting guests for you.

Over on Podchaser we had a notification from a listener about the Brad Sugars episode.  ohmynoshberkshire had this to say, “Found this episode really insightful.  I even took notes.  Learn before you earn, thank you, big happy, smiley-face emoji and four stars”.  Thank you so much for your kind words and there’s definitely lots and lots of gems in there for listeners to take notes.  Thank you so much for getting in touch.

Georgie Vestey: “That’s somebody’s loved one, so we always treat them as such”.  I’m Georgie Vestey and this is Dead Honest, a podcast where we talk honestly about death.  Now, if there is one death profession, I have always been very curious about, it’s police divers.  I’ve never understood what would motivate someone to climb into freezing black water to recover the bodies of strangers.

Wendy Harris: Today we’re going to be Dead Honest.  We’re going to be dead honest about podcasting from a different point of view, two podcast hosts that have been making conversations count about all sorts of topics, but today the Dead Honest conversation is going to be with winner of the Interview Podcast of the Year at the British Podcast Awards, it’s so lovely to have you here, it’s Georgie Vestey.

Georgie Vestey:  Thank you very much indeed, Wendy, for having me here.

Wendy Harris: Now, we’ve spoken before, so we must sort of just give people a heads-up that we have quite a lot that we agreed about when it comes to podcasting and conversations and all of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes.  We’ve just had a little moment, haven’t we, that we’ve shared on tech.  It’s not just about hitting record and having a conversation and just sending it out there to the big wide world, so we’re going to be making conversations about honesty in podcasting count today.  What got you into podcasting in the first place, Georgie?

Georgie Vestey:  It was really what took me into audio, and podcasting became an extension of that.  I used to do some volunteer work for a coroner in Australia and I was very fortunate to work with a colleague called John Merrick, who was their sort of lead counsellor who liaised with the families, and I was in his office working as an assistant to him, in a sense.  I heard him have a conversation one day, it was very warm and very conversational and quite unlike the sort of conversations we tended to have in the coroner’s office.  I thought, “It must be a friend of his who’s called in”.

I remember asking him after he got off the phone and there’d been lots of laughter.  I said, “That sounded like someone who was quite a lot of fun”, and he told me the story of who it was.  It was actually the mother of a little girl who’d been murdered, and he shared how they had come together over the death of her daughter, and a relationship that at first had been very unsatisfactory, because he didn’t really understand where the parents were coming from emotionally.  He had a lot of truth of vulnerability about how he described that relationship and its evolution and how it had turned into this incredible relationship, where there was this great laughter going on in the middle of a coroner’s office between a bereaved mother and a counsellor.

It made me think, “Gosh, he’s so interesting”.  Just him retelling the story of this little girl’s death, how he approached the parents, how he felt he hadn’t succeeded at first and yet continued to persevere and create not only just a great relationship with them, but also a whole organisation to support parents like that.  I thought, “This is a story that never gets told, the behind-the-scenes stories”.  So that’s what really started my interest in thinking, “Someone should be telling these stories, or at least sharing these stories”.

So, Dead Honest for me is a platform to share the stories of people who basically work behind the front lines of death, so not the paramedics or the doctors or the nurses so much, the people we don’t see, and the people doing the work I say that we hope someone else is doing.

Wendy Harris: I did take a little peek to see the sort of guests that you had on, and to me I was fascinated, because you’ve got divers that are investigators that never really get the limelight of the intricate work that they do.  Yet we all love to watch a crime show don’t we, and we’ll see them on a boat with the gear on, and yet they’re just in the far distance.  Yet they have to tell the story for the people that we see on screen that are the stars of the show, to be able to solve that crime and investigate that story.  It was a really, really interesting take on that part of our life that’s not told.

Georgie Vestey: It’s not told, and I think one of the reasons it’s not told is because is the sort of people who go into those professions, who are behind the scenes, are by definition often not seeking the limelight and they’re very humble.  And the thing that I found really interesting, having interviewed so many different types of death professionals from death doulas to funeral directors, coroner’s officers, as you said police divers, family liaison officers, they have an incredibly high level of job satisfaction.  You think that’s quite weird, because it would look like a very depressing profession to be part of, but actually they’re genuinely driven by the desire to help people.

The fact that they help them at the darkest time of their lives is what makes them so extraordinary to me, and why I think they are so deserving of a platform to have that.  And that’s all Dead Honest is, it’s just a platform to share those stories.  I don’t bring anything to it, except I hope I bring a sort of curiosity and the trust that if you are listening to it, you know that I’m going to take you into a pretty dark space, but it is never going to be voyeuristic.  I am going to ask the questions that are probably a little bit confronting, but which you probably also wanted to hear.  I think sometimes you’re taken in, and I am sure you find this too, Wendy, you can ask a really innocuous question and it just takes you down a path that you just don’t expect.

One of the episodes I remember being struck by, when I was asking this chap in Episode 5, Mo Oliver, who is a fabulous guy, he’s a disaster victim identification person and he had to go to the Tsunami in Sri Lanka to help recover the bodies of British nationals who had died there.  I remember saying to him, “What were your impressions when you first got to Sri Lanka on that day?”  

Yes, he talked about leaving the airport and the massive devastation around the coast and what he was seeing, but the thing that really stuck with him was, because the infrastructure had been completely blown apart on the coast of Sri Lanka, he had to stop at one point and he needed to go to the loo.  Understandably, it was a very long drive and he jumped out of the vehicle, went around the back of this sort of rubble and was going to the loo.  This man came out and he said, “What are you doing?”  He said, “Don’t you understand, my family are buried underneath that rubble”.

It’s those very small moments that you don’t think are going to hit you that hit you, so I think that’s also been interesting for me to share a space with those people, where they get to talk about that as well.  It’s been a hugely rewarding experience to do it.

When I ask you which of the cases that have stayed with you, that when you leave this job you will go back and think, “That one will always be with me”, would you describe a case for me?

“I’m probably known in the office as being quite in control of my emotions, so I can only recall one job where I actually went home and sobbed.  That was when I dealt with a friend’s wife, but I had no idea at the time when I attended the scene.  It was quite a horrific taking of her own life, to the point where she was unidentifiable, viewable”.

Wendy Harris: It’s the fulfilment that you get, isn’t it, from having a conversation that you’ve got a rough idea; you’ve got a format, I’ve got a format.  I like to talk about what it is that you’re doing in your expert field as a guest, then that conversation that counts, I never know what that is, and I never know where that’s going to take me.  We’ve covered subjects like cot death, murder, talking to strangers at the bus stop that then become your best customer. 

You can’t make that kind of thing up, and you never know what’s going to come next, but it is, it’s that’s space for us to be able to share those stories, where others can go, “Do you know what, that happened to me.  Something like that happened to me, I get it”.  I think that’s what makes for really rewarding listening as well, isn’t it?

Georgie Vestey:  Yeah, I agree with you.  It’s one of those things that’s incredibly misleading about winning that award, is that I am so technologically incompetent that when you listen to the finished product, you would be very misled into thinking that I am very professional.  I think it’s one of the things I think that’s wonderful about getting older and podcasting in middle age, is that we can be very transparent about our vulnerabilities.  And in that, we can be encouraging of other people who also feel they might want to get into the field and think, “Oh gosh, I’m never going to sound like that”.  Trust me, I don’t sound like that.  A lot of work goes into sounding like I sound!

I think that’s also one of the joys of doing the sort of work that we do, both of us, is that actually I don’t think I could do this if I was any younger.  I wouldn’t have the experience, I wouldn’t have the perspective, I wouldn’t have the confidence to be as vulnerable with the conversations that I am.  I think the biggest challenge I find as a podcaster in my middle age is, I’m used to being quite competent in the other parts of my life and I thought, “I shall take on podcasting”.  I have been so confounded by how challenging — difficult, not even challenging, difficult I have found the process and how impatient I am with my own ineptitude.  I have showed so little kindness to myself, and frankly I always say I would have fired myself had there been anyone else who could have taken over my role.

Wendy Harris: I’m really trying hard not to laugh so loudly, because I know exactly what it is that you’re saying there!  I’ve been picking up the phone for over 30 years, having conversations with board level, not giving any kind of thought to the seniority of whoever it is.  I am just talking to people, we’re just connecting, we’re having a conversation, we’re looking to get stuff done.  I thought it was going to be such an easy transition to just have a conversation on Zoom and record it.

The learning that has gone into it; spoiler alert, Dr Ivan Misner was my best guest, I had to rerecord it.  Even though it said it was recording, it failed, and he just said, “Don’t feel bad that’s so funny.  It happened to me on Fox News!”  The learning that goes in.

Georgie Vestey: The learning, it is that and I think we become a bit impatient in middle age, with whatever it is that we’re doing, whatever profession we’re in.  People say to me, “What’s your proudest thing about Dead Honest?”  I say, “The fact that I actually did it”, because I’m known as a procrastinating perfectionist, which is this really unfortunate affliction.  That wonderful Nike ad, “Just do it”.  If I could just do it, I would but I can’t because I have to look at it at a 360-degree angle, I have to put it through my analytical processing 25 times, and then I might be able to do it.

It’s not funny when it’s happening to you, but it is that thing of you just — I have a file on my desktop which is for a parallel podcast called Epic Fail, because I have literally every single interview, I have done I have screwed up, excuse the expression, but I have screwed up one element of it.  Like you, the classic where you’ve got the sound, you’ve done this, you’ve got the batteries, you’ve checked the mic, you’ve done all of that.  Finally, you sit down there, and you have a really great interview and then you go look down to press stop and you never pressed record.

You just sit there slapping the side of your head, “Nobody should have let me out with a recorder.  Whose stupid idea was this anyway?”  There’s a challenge when we take on new things in midlife, particularly if we do come from places where we feel we have been quite competent.  It can stop us because we just get impatient with ourselves and think, “Well, obviously I can’t do this”.  I think that’s the thing that I’m proudest of with Dead Honest in a way, is I actually kept going and that was important.

Wendy Harris: It’s been going for a number of years, hasn’t it, Georgie?

Georgie Vestey: No need to rub it in how long it took me to get here, thanks, Wendy!  We do joke that actually climate change will be solved before I actually produce my next series.  But yes, it has, and I think it’s also I do other stuff as well, so it’s not something I can give all of my time to, nor do I think it’s something, and I don’t know if you find this, that actually when I’m doing a creative project, I find it helps to have something else to do, to have in parallel, so that I can rest my brain a bit and come back to it fresh.

I find I’m often my least productive when I devote myself to something full on, be that motherhood, creative task, job or whatever.  I have to strike that balance between different things to take myself off and refresh myself.

Wendy Harris: For me I find podcasting highly addictive, the conversations and what comes out of it.  But the other side to the technological challenges and the learning that you have to do and the support that you have to call upon, thank you Neal, is the expectations of the episode.  In my mind, sometimes I’ll go, “Do you know that was just a fantastic interview and I loved it and everybody’s going to love it too” and then they don’t.  Then the episode that you go, “Well, yeah, no that was okay.  That was interesting, it’s still got value.  I’m going to roll with it anyway”, and people love it, and it surprises you.  I think it’s that kind of grounding that we’re not the judge of what’s good or great, the listeners are.

Georgie Vestey:  That’s so true.  In some episodes, as you say, I’ve been absolutely — I think they’re fantastic episodes because they’ve spoken to something within me, but they may not have dealt or spoken to something more widely.  As you say, we just can’t make that judgement ahead of time, we just can put it out there and hope that it finds an audience. 

I think that’s one of the reasons why I love podcasting over conventional audio, is I can ask questions which I wouldn’t be allowed to on the radio, I can be more explicit, more graphic; but also, I can reach people across — I mean, nothing is more exciting than looking at the fact that you’ve got listeners in Africa, or suddenly it’s gone big in Canada.  That’s what I love, it’s like reaching your tribe, which for me is a very important part of why I do this.

I love that side of podcasting and I also love the fact that we’re independent.  I don’t know about you, I imagine we’re quite autonomous beings, we don’t like being bossed around and told what we can do.

Wendy Harris: Definitely not.

Georgie Vestey: It gets worse as you get older, I hate to tell you, but equally that’s quite liberating because it is relatively low budget tech-wise, so pretty much anyone — it’s very democratic in that sense, which I love.  It also allows me to do it in the way that I would like to do it.  I wouldn’t be bothered to do it if I was being told in a different way.  I don’t know how you’d feel with your podcast, but that feels quite strongly to me, I feel quite strong about that.

Wendy Harris: Confession, it’s only recently that I’ve started to listen to other podcasts.  It was maybe Episode 30-something before I thought, “I wonder how they do it?”  On reflection, whilst it was a shock to quite a few people, especially my producer said, “You know so-and-so’s podcast?” and I was like, “Hmm, I’ve heard of it, not listened to it”.  It was because for me, I wanted to create my show.  This is how I want it to be. 

If I start listening to lots of other formats, and styles, my own style and format would just be chopping and changing, chopping and changing because I’d be trying to get back to who I am.  So I decided that I was going to get into an absolute rhythm of what I wanted it to be before I could allow myself to go and listen and be a listener and not be judging as a show.

Georgie Vestey:  I think what’s wonderful about that is the fact that it’s about authenticity and I think as podcasting has become so incredibly crowded as a market, I find it harder and harder to find things to listen to.  What I’m always interested in listening to are people like us, what I call the boutique back-street podcasts, where you can feel the person who makes it in the voice of the person speaking and also in the choice of mannerisms that they have, you come to learn and like about them. 

I think that is one of the things that’s the key to a successful podcast now, particularly as independent producers if you’ve not got a big backer, like Spotify or Audible or whatever, is keep to yourself.  I think that’s really important, because your uniqueness is probably the only thing that is going to punch through at any level.  There are over two million podcasts now.

That’s why I think it’s really important when we do these sort of podcasting courses and whatever is that people don’t lose sight of what they themselves bring, because guaranteed that’s actually what your audience are looking for as well.  There’s no point in me starting to sound like a Radio 4 presenter or whatever, and it’s very easy to start doing that, because we’re brought up with those voices in our head and the way of presenting and whatever.  You have to exorcise that and keep very true, I think, to who you are and that’s true for any creative endeavour or indeed any business endeavour that you feel you author that is your own.  It’s got to stay very grounded in who you are and what you then bring into the market.

Wendy Harris: That’s what listeners are looking for isn’t it, it’s that ability to tune into what is being foretold.

Georgie Vestey: Yeah, and I think people are really interested to hear vulnerability and maybe that’s a post-COVID thing and whatever.  But I think when podcasts are relatable, you know, you can hear sometimes when I ask a question, I’m nervous because I’m actually possibly straying over a line which might get a snap back.  I think that’s what takes your listeners with you is when they hear your openness to being vulnerable and relatable; that’s what draws them in.  It’s not about the downloads, it’s the quality of the audience that you’ve got, not the quantity of the audience that you’ve got, at least it is for me.

Wendy Harris: Yes.

Georgie Vestey: Probably because I don’t have a very big audience!  But that’s much more relevant and important to me because those relationships, the authentic relationships are important to me.

Wendy Harris: With the relationship with listeners, it kind of brings us onto that point of the conversation that counted for you really in terms of the pivotal moment.  What was it that happened to you, Georgie, that you’ve not told me about already?

Georgie Vestey:  I think it was bearing witness, in a sense, being in a position where I’ve been very privileged to work inside coroner’s officers, so I’ve been very privileged to seeing people where there’s no [bleep].  On the worst day of your life, you are who you are, and I think seeing John and hearing John talk about his own vulnerability in approaching that relationship and exposing his, I hate that word “journey”, but his journey from being a not terribly effective person to becoming a really valued person.  It was part of that story that also interested me, exposing his own vulnerability, and I’ve heard some really extraordinary stories from people where they’ve been incredibly generous to open up to that.

Now, why does that speak in particular to me?  I’m not entirely sure.  But I do tend to find the other organisations I work with, one is supporting families whose relatives have been murdered abroad and another organisation that supports the greater scrutiny of stillbirth investigations by coroners, there is something that meets my need to be in an authentic place when I’m actually emotionally in an authentic place with those people.

The thing that really doesn’t work for me is being in a wildly social situation where I can’t actually have what I would call a proper conversation.  Most people would probably think, “Oh my God, she sounds so intense”, but actually that’s where I function at my best.  I like myself best at that level and I like meeting people at that level.  So, I think that’s what sort of drew me into that and just thinking, “Actually, I don’t think I’m alone on this one”.  Fortunately, it’s proved that I’m not, other people are generally drawn into that as well.

Wendy Harris: It’s the taking it back to what we wanted to talk about today in terms of making those conversations about honesty count, isn’t it?  There is no room to be anything but honest.  You don’t have the time to disguise.  The masks are thrown away, aren’t they, if anything, because you can only bear so much in those situations, so I think you really connect with true self.

Georgie Vestey: I do, and I think also having — I did a blog on my website about being brought up in the country as a kid, because people often say to me, “How did you get so comfortable with death?”  I think there’s something about a country childhood where you are exposed.  I was brought up in Australia and where you are exposed to pretty basic life and death every day, whether it’s things flooding, and you end up walking down a riverbank and seeing a cow strung up in a tree or there’s a dead kangaroo on the way into school which your mum has to drag off the road.  You’re much more confronted with life and death.

I didn’t feel a repulsion around that.  It was quite a normalised thing I was brought up with.  It’s one of those things that it can either make people run a million miles.  It’s always that terrible thing, people say, “You have a podcast, how lovely.  What’s your podcast about?”  I’m like, “It’s about the people who help us when we die and when we’re dead”.  And it’s like, “Oh”.

I have to apologise, I can’t make it sound any better than that, I’m really sorry because that’s what it’s about.  It actually is quite a good way of filtering.  It’s self-selective.  The people who want to hear it generally are my sort of people and we can have a great connection because of it.

Wendy Harris: It is really interesting, and it’s hit up on my playlist for those moments when I will go, “I’m going to listen today and be a listener”.  Georgie I really, really thoroughly enjoy your honesty about podcasting and your show, and I think for anybody that’s thinking about podcasting, or that is podcasting and is wondering why they’re podcasting, just remember why you started it, why you want to start it in the first place.

Georgie Vestey: That is such good advice, Wendy.  Funnily enough, I was doing a talk this weekend for the Podcasting Festival, and I think there are two things that people really need to ask themselves.  Podcasting is really hard; it looks easy to do, but actually to sustain it is really hard or I certainly found it hard.  I find it hard to keep it going in terms of ideas and delivery and all the rest of it.

The other thing I think that’s really important and has helped me hugely to deliver Dead Honest at the level that it is, is I have this fantastic friend who is also a podcaster.  We talk about mentors and often mentors we think have to be much bigger than us, but actually I think the most useful mentors are people who are just maybe one step ahead of you and who have got the time and the compassion to believe in you when you don’t believe in yourself.

I know for me personally, I have another podcast friend called Natasha Miller, and between us we meet online every week on a Thursday, and we support each other.  We listen to each other’s work and when we’re feeling really rubbish and like the whole world’s crap and what we are doing, we should throw our recorders out the window, the other person will pick up and support you.  So, I’m a big advocate of what I call micro mentors, particularly as an independent, using them to help you deliver on the process.

Wendy Harris: Support and grow; really important.

Georgie Vestey: Very important indeed.

Wendy Harris: If you have somebody or you have a story that you’d like to share, do get in touch with me and the team here at Making Conversations Count.  We love to give a shout out to everybody.  But let’s carry on the conversation next week, where we’re going to be getting savvy with a dynamic duo that are AA-rated; we’ve got Anna and Anita of Get Savvy joining us next week.



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Episode 1 – Paula Senior

In our first episode, we speak to Paula Senior from the YMCA. Paula is a fund-raising officer and is currently preparing for the annual Sleepout to raise much needed funds for the night shelter, how covid has stretched them to the limits and how they have risen above the challenges faced by the homeless.

Nat schooler

Episode 2 – Nat Schooler

Can one conversation really influence where you are driven? Nat Schooler

Influence marketeer Nat Schooler joins Wendy as they chat about how important it is to produce strategic content online. Nat spends his time podcasting, writing, and driving across foreign continents for fun. However, their conversation quickly turns to the importance of building relationships with the people you want to work with. Nat places trust as the highest asset everyone should nurture.

Azam Mamujee M Cubed Tax specialist

Episode 3 – Azam Mamujee

In this episode, Wendy is joined by Managing Partner, Azam Mamujee a tax specialist with a voice of velvet.

Azam agrees that conversations count however he explains how numbers can tell a much more powerful story. He has a catchphrase “Give Azam the facts, I’ll save you the Tax”.

Jenny Procter Marketing for introverts bondfield

Episode 4 – Jenny Procter

Jenny Procter – Bondfield Marketing

Making Conversations about Marketing for Introverts Count

Let us introduce you to Jenny Procter, a marketing consultant and self-proclaimed introvert.

Jenny writes PR and communications for B2B clients and has her own podcast show, and she discusses issues around running her own business as an entrepreneur.

Andrew Deighton team coaching

Episode 5 – Andrew Deighton

Andrew Deighton – Team Coaching. Making Conversations about Teams Count. We are joined by Andrew Deighton today, who helps build and develop high-performing teams through strategy and processes in today’s remote working world.

Wendy has worked with Andrew in a second business through mentoring and knows firsthand how his advice relates to many aspects of running a business.

Nicky Pattinson sales expert public speaker

Episode 6 – Nicky Pattinson

Nicky Pattinson – Leading Sales Authority & Public Speaker. Making Conversations about Personality Count. Nicky Pattinson speaks the Truth in all she does! A northern lass who traded on the markets at the beginning of her career, similarly to your host. Now, Nicky has a best-selling book “Email: Don’t Get Deleted” and her own YouTube channel NICKYPTV.

Buckso Dhillon Wooley

Episode 7 – Buckso Dhillon-Wooley

Buckso Dhillon-Wooley – Actress, Speaker & Business Coach. Making Conversations about Self-Belief Count. A true diamond, Buckso is very much aligned with herself and the many facets of her own personality.
As an actor, speaker and coach her mission in life is to help people connect with their higher self.
Being aligned with yourself on a spiritual, physical and emotional level allows you to shine brighter in everything you touch.
Buckso Dillon-Whooley is a well known Actress, who has starred in Disney’s recent remake of Aladdin and is a long-standing actor on Coronation Street with appearances on many UK TV shows.

James Daniel Copywriter

Episode 8 – James Daniel

James Daniel – Copywriter
Making Conversations about Copywriting Count
Joining us in this episode is copywriter James Daniel.
He describes himself as ‘That old guy who writes copy – you know, the beardy one with glasses.’
We should point out there could be other old guys with beards and glasses out there!
It’s easy to like James’ style of writing because he’s a conversationalist who realizes that people don’t speak geek or tech.

Henny Maltby Digital marketing agency

Episode 9 – Henny Maltby

Henny Maltby – Digital Marketing Agency, Pink Elephant Media. Making Conversations about Digital Marketing Count. When the Pandemic hit in early 2020, Henny Maltby turned to her husband as they both realised their business was going to change forever. Offering online marketing to large corporate businesses who cut budgets left a hole to fill. By opening the conversation up with local businesses, it was obvious what the next chapter would be for them at Pink Elephant Media…

Kim Walsh Phillips

Episode 10 – Kim Walsh Phillips

Kim Walsh Phillips owns Powerful Professionals, a business that helps empower entrepreneurs to turn clicks into cash and identifying the superpowers in others so they can fly high. Kim is an expert in social selling strategy.

Amelia Thorpe Wellbeing coach

Episode 11 – Amelia Thorpe

Amelia Thorpe – Mental Health Wellbeing Coach. Making Conversations about Mental Wealth Count. Meet Amelia Thorpe, founder of Wellbeing 360, who talks to Wendy about how important it is to give equal priority to our mental and physical health. Listening to Amelia’s story will bring a beacon of hope that we can all take charge of our own conversations which will give us back the control that slips sometimes when times are tough. Amelia is a wellbeing counsellor.

John Attridge capacity business

Episode 12 – John Attridge

John Attridge – Guiding Businesses to Reach their Full Potential by Tapping into Spare Capacity

Making Conversations about Capacity Count. John Attridge, owner of BBX turns spare capacity into value for many businesses. When you listen to John you just know there is a bigger story to this guy as his accent gives it away!
John has successfully built a business network and community to help people fill spare capacity and exchange services. It is a brilliant concept and if you’ve not come across it before yet in touch with me and I’ll tell you more. Using the BBX community helped my own business through the lockdown and has provided such a lot of support and new relationships.

Clara Wilcox return to work coaching for parents

Episode 13 – Clara Wilcox

Clara Wilcox runs The Balance Collective, Specialising in Return to Work Coaching for Parents. Making Conversations about Returning to Work Count! This is a conversation that every Mum will resonate with, juggling home and work is not simply a balancing act but a superpower!

Clara recognized through her own personal journey that the right support for Mum’s returning to work was only available from the employer’s point of view. This causes a biased approach and is not always helpful in an emotive decision-making process.

dr ivan misner bni networking

Episode 14 – Dr Ivan Misner

In this episode, Ivan and Wendy explore how conversation is the foundation of all growth and learning. How times have changed, looking back and also predicting our future generations experiences, yet communication will still be the underpin even it how that looks has changed.

Janine Coombes marketing coach

Episode 15 – Janine Coombes

Google has recognised this lady as the #1 marketing coach and her video series mixes humour with key messages, it is the lovely Janine Coombes. Janine is a marketing coach for personal brands.
In this episode, Janine and Wendy share how using the right language influences the conversations we have and how it affects our results.

Lizzie Butler presentations coach

Episode 16 – Lizzie Butler

Making conversations about presentations count! Delighted to introduce Lizzie Butler, owner of LB Communications, who met Wendy at a local online networking event and immediately hit it off. Lizzie helps you to grow your business through personal development training and how to achieve brilliant communication.

Jem hills inspirational speaker

Episode 17 – Jem Hills

Making conversations about Bullying count. Jem Hills is an inspirational speaker, trainer & performance coach.
Talking to Wendy in this episode is ex-marine Jem Hills who you might find it hard to believe was affected by bullying and a lack of confidence. As a release Jem discovered Northern dancing and practiced as a bedroom activity that later led to an accidental release of freestyle dancing at a competition. The dancing-built resilience and the foundations for the training to complete the Mud Run and onto his Elite Special Forces career.

Peter howard graphic design

Episode 18 – Peter Howard

Peter Howard runs a design studio that is ranked in the top 100 in the country and was responsible for the WAG brand. Having known Peter and his team for many years, Wendy has heard lots of his stories but knew there would be one she had not heard before.

Taz Thornton & Asha Clearwater business coaches

Episode 19 – Taz Thornton & Asha Clearwater

Making conversations about partnerships count. In a Making Conversations Count first, we are joined by two dynamic guests in this episode. Both Taz & Asha provide business coach services in different areas. Joining Wendy chatting about all the elements that make up a great debate. You are not going to want to miss the observations with Taz Thornton and Asha Clearwater around questioning, opinions, debate and discernment that makes for wonderful colourful conversations.

Vicki Carroll O'Neill

Episode 20 – Vicki Carroll (formerly O’Neill)

Vicki works with entrepreneurs, small business owners and executive leaders who are stuck in their business and need someone as a partner to coach them to their next level of success. Vicki offers growth marketing consultant advice, strategy plans & also organises in-house marketing teams.

heidi medina business coach

Episode 21 – Heidi Medina

This episode contains one of our most important conversations, so we’re definitely going to make it count!
Wendy Harris brings Heidi Medina into the conversation today, who opens up the conversation about abuse she has encountered.
She’s a Linkedin expert and business coach who is the exact opposite of the classic ‘my way or the highway’.
Whether you meet Heidi online or in person she is the same.

Niraj Kapur online sales coach

Episode 22 – Niraj Kapur

In this episode, Wendy is joined by Online Sales Coach Niraj Kapur from “Everybody works in Sales” a business that helps companies with their sales processes.

Steve Judge paralympian motivational speaking

Episode 23 – Steve Judge

A life-changing accident that almost claimed a life but actually birthed a mindset shift.  Making conversations about speaking count!

Imagine losing your limbs in an accident.

That’s a real human test.

Most people would fall into one of two camps.

Feel the loss, and struggle to overcome it, before essentially accepting your ‘job lot’ and just becoming a bit angry.

Many would. And they’d be forgiven.

Then there are others, who would not let it defeat them, or define them.

Steve Judge is definitely in the latter of the two camps.

Nikolas Venios the ideas agency

Episode 24 – Nik Venios

We reflect on how this business man helped his poorly mother solve a household challenge which led to a career of making conversations about ideas and innovation count. We will all eventually lose our parents. Sadly, it’s a part of life. Not many of us have to suffer that loss at the tender age of just six. We couldn’t think of a nicer guy to help us with our goal of making conversations about ideas count. Truly, if anyone can hold a conversation about ideas, it’s Nik Venios of the Ideas Agency. Did you know that NASA has a genius test? During this episode, you’ll find out all about this, and the fascinating stats surrounding it.

Jonny cooper hates marketing

Episode 25 – Jonny Cooper

Most business owners hate marketing. That’s probably because they don’t understand it. Someone who does get marketing is Jonny Cooper, and even he can’t stand it! In fact, he despises it so much, he built a business around it. Welcome to Jonny Hates Marketing! This week we’re making conversations about messaging count. Messaging is so important to get correct. Your entire marketing voice depends on it. That’s why you need to listen very carefully to Jonny Cooper.

Wendy Harris telephone trainer how to sell over the phone

Episode 26 – Wendy Harris

Wendy Harris is an expert telemarketer, who has years worth of experience in cold-calling and doing it right. Now a podcast host, Wendy shares her story and how she became an advocate for making conversations count!

Will Polston Make it happen

Episode 27 – Will Polston

Making conversations about wealth….and Clubhouse….count! Paying it forward. Acting from a position of generosity and giving within the law of reciprocity. We’re talking to Will Polston.

Ray Blakney Live Lingua

Episode 28 – Ray Blakney

Making conversations about language count… Ray Blakney is the CEO And founder of online language school Live Lingua. Can you speak another language other than your native tongue? Wendy admitted to the “Making Conversations Count” team that she doesn’t, and we can’t help but feel she’s definitely not alone.

Many Ward write my book cuddle monster

Episode 29 – Mandy Ward

Mandy Ward is a book mentor, helping people to write their own books under the company ‘Write my book’. Mandy is also an author herself, including the popular children’s book ‘The Cuddle Monster’.

Sarah Townsend copywriter survival skills for freelancers

Episode 30 – Sarah Townsend

Sarah Townsend is a freelance copywriter and best-selling author of the book ‘survival skills for freelancers’. In this episode, we discuss the importance of conversations in the freelance world, and how things can lead to many opportunities…

Paul Furlong visual branding advertiser videographer

Episode 31 – Paul Furlong

Paul Furlong is part of Opus Media, producing TV advertising, videos, and photographs for businesses. He knows a thing or two about visual branding, and is considered a advertising guru!

Masami Sato founder B1G1

Episode 32 – Masami Sato

Masami Sato set up the B1G1 initiative. Helping businesses to do good by giving back. When was the last time you gave, freely Not for tax reasons. And not because you felt awkward at a raffle. We could all always do more.

Ann Hobbs Forward thinking publishing

Episode 33 – Ann Hobbs

Ann Hobbs helps people to self-publish their books with Forward Thinking Publishing. She is also a coach and author of her book ‘Kick ass your life’, helping people to push through adversity.

Kim-Adele Platts Career development coach

Episode 34 – Kim-Adele Platts

Kim-Adele Platts, Career Development Coach. Making Conversations about Leadership Count! If you don’t believe in yourself how do you expect others to? This was a question and topic that surfaced during this powerful and insightful conversation with Kim-Adele Platts.

Marina Hauer branding specialist for coaches

Episode 35 – Marina Hauer

Marina Hauer is a branding specialist for independent coaches. Are you using three different brand ‘voices’ in your marketing efforts? We’re making conversations about branding count!

David Smith MBE paralympian

Episode 36 – David Smith

David Smith MBE is a Paralympian in the sport Boccia. Do you know what Boccia is? David tells you in this episode all about the most inclusive Paralympian sport that helps people with their independence.

Graham Nash accountant

Episode 37 – Graham Nash

Graham Nash, BusinessWise Accountants, has worked in many fields over the years and the one common denominator has been helping business turnaround.

Ian Genius sales coach

Episode 38 – Ian Genius

Ian Genius is the sales coach to help you gain confidence in sales. His Ingenious technique helps clients see the value of your best package to COMMAND a higher price.

Jennie Erikson voice over artist

Episode 39 – Jennie Eriksen

Jennie Eriksen is a voice over artist, her company name is Lovely Voice. She helps her intended listener to learn by being able to bring characters to life.

Stella Da Silva employability trainer

Episode 40 – Stella Da Silva

Stella Da Silva talks about vocations in this episode, as a specialist employability trainer she shares her insider knowledge.
What skills do you need to be employable?

Hypnotist Jonathan Chase

Episode 41 – Jonathan Chase

Look into my eyes! You will feel very sleepy! You guessed it, we’re having one of our many conversations that count with hypnosis star Jonathan Chase.

Brynne Tillman social sales link

Episode 42 – Brynne Tillman

Brynne Tillman is a social selling expert. Her company ‘Social Sales Link’ teaches the importance of connection for selling on LinkedIn and other platforms.

Ruth Driscoll

Episode 43 – Ruth Driscoll

Ruth Driscoll supports people through toxic relationships. Her company the ‘life liberator’ takes her personal experiences to help others.

Rob Begg mindset coach

Episode 44 – Rob Begg

Rob Begg is a results based mindset coach to business leaders & teams. In this episode, he talks about your ego and self-limiting beliefs many of us hold.

Dan Knowlton video advertising

Episode 45 – Dan Knowlton

Dan Knowlton and his brother Lloyd run Knowlton – a social media and video advertising company who create unique, funny content to stop the scroll.

Sudhir Kumar

Episode 46 – Sudhir Kumar

Sudhir Kumar is an expert in social selling to grow your business, he’s written a book ‘Being Human: Marketing & Social Selling in a Digital World’.

Episode 47 – Ann Page

Ann Page is a lawyer who helps other lawyers with her courses. She teaches valuable business skills and teaches the importance of avoiding jargon.

Joe Chatham networking

Episode 48 – Joe Chatham

Joe Chatham set up USA 500. It’s an exclusive member-based organization focusing on sharing his expertise in marketing relationships and networking.

Larry Long Jnr

Episode 49 – Larry Long Jnr

Larry Long Jnr is a sales coach that helps give people, teams, and organizations the motivation to go from good to great.

pete cann laughter man

Episode 50 – Pete Cann

Larry Long Jnr is a sales coach that helps give people, teams, and organizations the motivation to go from good to great.

Hear what people are saying about the show

I love this podcast. The guests you have on all bring something new to the conversation and definitely thought-provoking.

Sometimes this means I change something I do, or something I would say, and other times it’s a real opportunity for reflection.

Thanks for sharing your guests with us Wendy, the podcasts are brilliant.

Paula Senior

I always enjoy listening to Wendy’s Making Conversations Count podcast and admire her talent for drawing out people’s stories and getting to the heart of things for finding out what makes them tick.

We all have pivotal moments and Wendy manages to find the right parts, showcasing the reasons why someone is who they are.

It’s those details that we connect to and come to more understanding of why people do what they do.

Heidi Medina

Love this podcast series. It’s a great idea to have a theme of ‘pivotal conversations’ and the variety of guests from massively different backgrounds keeps it fresh and interesting.

Wendy is a natural host and makes people feel at ease to share their stories.

Andrew Deighton

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